What is going on with the designers of Thunderbird, and Firefox? There was a time when they had these programs working real well, they were user friendly and intuitive. Lately, with each release, more and more functionality seems to be push off into "add-ons" For example, in Thunderbird the "Mark" button toggled the email as read or not and there was a little down arrow to the right I could click with more options. Now, the little arrow button is still there, but it is always a drop down menu, so to mark a message as read I must make 2 clicks. I asked for help, but got a response to "try these addons" There have been similar changes to Firefox. Are the designers getting lazy and relying in third party people to do their work for them? Perhaps the new breed of designers are simply unable to it include working solutions in future versions? Is there a management decree to stop making these programs good, and off load these features to the end user (now I have to spend a lot of time researching a solution, and installing an add on that may or may not do what I want) Perhaps there is some financial incentive, I guess it saves Mozilla labor costs of they can get volunteer third party people to do their work for them. Thoughts? Mark.